Blog > Bettering the Better Way

January 16, 2007
Jay Goldman

A Little Background

We were really inspired by our good friend Robert Ouellette's post How Would You Improve The TTC Web Site? and thrilled at the ensuing support and coverage it collected during the first few weeks of the New Year. Some of Toronto's leading blogs leapt to support Robert's cause and quickly asked their readers to provide their ideas in the comments of the following posts:

The Press rallied shortly thereafter, providing some pretty good coverage about Adam Giambrone, the TTC's new Chair, accepting Robert's offer and offering to review the feedback. Amongst the radio coverage on AM640 and CBC, the nation's newspapers rang in:

Here's Where We Come In

Figuring that we know a thing or two about building websites, we thought that we could offer some useful feedback to compliment the already excellent thoughts collecting in the comments on the original blog posts. In addition to our Solutions and Portfolio of experience, we know lots of really smart people who could bring a lot of value to the table. And so we did exactly that and gathered a crack team in Radiant Core's boardroom to scratch our heads and stroke our chins and ruminate on how we could help to better the better way. And what a crew it was! In addition to your intrepid scribe and Michael Glenn, our Architecturally Awesome VP of Technology, we invited (in alphabetical order - ranking a team of this calibre would be impossible in anything but):



David Crow

David CrowDébonair Developer

David is a passionate advocate for Toronto's technology community. An open community has catalyzed around David in the form of BarCamp, DemoCamp, and the Innovation Commons, reinforcing his belief that openness can spark innovation - "the community is the framework". David is an experience designer, consultant and a software developer.



Joey DeVilla

Joey DeVillaAccordion Articulator

Jose Martin "Joey" deVilla is, among other things: The Thrilla from Manila, based in Toronto, Canada, Technical Evangelist for the web services company Tucows, and a guy who often takes his accordion with him, playing AC/DC, Nine Inch Nails and other pop and rock stuff on it.

Madhava Enros

Madhava EnrosTTC Guru

Madhava is a Toronto interface/interaction designer who spends, perhaps, too much time thinking about public transit. A dedicated TTC-rider, he has been following Toronto transit planning and policy matters for many years.



Mark Kuznicki

Mark KuznickiPolicy Wonk

Mark is a strategy consultant, policy wonk and a TorCamper. Mark's recent policy work includes consulting in cultural policy and in the development of an economic strategy for the entertainment and creative industries cluster. Mark's professional background includes work as a tech startup entrepreneur and in business analysis and tech project management in the financial services industry.



Will Pate

Will PateSocial Media Maven

Will is an all-around web geek: blogger, photographer, videogamer, online community and social media consultant. He's a peopleperson who seeks out technologies to enable self expression, connection, or the creating of meaning.



We really couldn't have asked for a more amazing brain trust. Will captured the moment as we settled in for some serious thinking:



TTC Thinkers



And so we were off and running! Stand back folks, because we really rolled up our sleeves and did some serious analizing.



State of the Union

No one would argue that the TTC currently has a good website. If you've somehow been spared the pain of trying to find information on it, take a few minutes and do your own mini-review now: www.ttc.ca.



Sure, it's ugly and all, but just how bad is it? Here's the quick breakdown using a Radiant Core technique called The Five Thumbs - a quick set of five heuristics that you can use to evaluate any software or website. The Five Thumbs are easy to remember if you know your vowels (just think AEIOU and you'll be most of the way there):

  1. Adaptive: a good tool adapts to the user rather than the user adapting to the tool. The TTC's site is very inflexible and forces visitors to do things very much in machine-speak like searching for routes by number rather than by name. The site also doesn't bend when it comes to the format of the information: as Henry Ford might have said, you can have it in any colour you'd like as long as it's a huge PDF or badly formatted HTML.
  2. Expandable: a good website is easily expanded on by encouraging an ecosystem of third parties to build on a solid foundation. There's no way to get access to the wealth of data behind the site including schedules, stop locations, routes, etc. To make matters worse, the HTML is non-standard and schedules aren't presented in tables but rather spaced out using tab characters in a block of <pre> code, making them hard to parse by screen scrapers and readers.
  3. Intuitive: the basic functions of a good tool are easy to figure out with minimal assistance. Given that the basic function of this site is to disseminate information, it's a tangled maze of bad Information Architecture which hides important details in deeply buried pages. Navigation is via HTML <select>s, form controls which are usually reserved for selecting options from a list and can cause problems for screen readers and other accessibility devices.
  4. Open: how well does it play with others? We usually measure websites on how well they both render across browsers and validate for standards compliance, as well as how deeply they incorporate accessibility features like tabindexes, accesskeys, alt attributes on images and titles on links, etc. The W3's validators can't get passed the lack of a doctype attribute, though the site does fair somewhat better using Watchfire WebXact, which returns few serious accessibility issues.
  5. Usable: how useable is it? This can be a fairly subjective measure, but empirical evidence from the comments left in the original blog posts suggests that users of the site have a very difficult time finding content.
We also tried to take Joe Clark's words to heart and pay special attention to accessibility concerns, even before we really started talking about features. Joe has forgotten more about building accessible websites and PDFs than our entire crew combined will ever know and his opinion counts for a substantial amount (although we might disagree on the 'free consulting' bit, we're glad that there's someone out there other than us waving the web standards flag).

The Better Way

It doesn't take a room full of web-savvy thinkers to come up with a great plan for the Commission's site as the way forward is obvious in many respects. We were pleased to see that the commenters on the original blog posts have thought of many of the same avenues (and even a few that we didn't touch on), so I highly recommend a read through them as well. Our thoughts, in no specific order:



Site Features and Functionality

  • Trip planner
    • This one is a no-brainer: give us a tool to figure out the easiest way to get there and we'll ride more often. It's not a very original idea either; a quick perusal of Transit Authority sites will provide a dizzying tour of Trip Planners. Some pretty decent examples:
    • Google has built a pretty fantastic Trip Planner for Transit on top of their already swell Google Maps: Google Transit. It's meant to be used by Transit Authorities all over the world to provide planning tools for their riders, and it currently provides coverage for nine US cities including Portland (the first city covered), and Seattle. The TTC and Google have been in talks for some time (see The TTC and Google on Spacing Wire from March 2006), though nothing has come of it yet. According to the Toronto Star article mentioned in that post, the Commission costed out its own route planner at $2 million, which sounds like a pretty expensive wheel re-invention to us! We'd like to see the TTC jump on the GT Bandwagon and publish the data in the Google Transit Feed format (see the API points below).
    • Any Planner they do build/use should make an effort to include other Transit Authorities in the area (e.g.: Go, Markham, etc.) in order to provide a seamless experience for the Great Transit Riders of the GTA.
    • Lots of people come to our fair city to visit and make their way around by transit, so it would be a great idea to include some bookmarked destinations and starting points to help them navigate more easily (e.g.: tourist spots, conference halls, shopping, hotels, etc.).
    • Although not required for the first version, mobile access would mean we could do trip planning on the go. Sure, the data rates from Rogers and Bell suck more than your average vampire, but it would give you one more reason to spring for that new iPhone you're all craving.
  • Schedules and Route Maps
    • Easily printed route maps as PDFs (no more monolithic files with every route!). People like to carry schedules with them, so make handy-sized ones which we can print out and staple together to keep in our pockets. Better yet, offer schedules for download, pre-formatted for popular hand-held devices. It would also be great if you could add different schedules to a cart and have them packaged into a customized PDF that you could keep on your laptop or print out whenever it gets too dog-eared and weather worn.
    • Trip planners are great for "Get me from A to B" type foresight, but sometimes you just want to know what time the bus goes there and comes back here. The current site makes it fairly hard to find the first part and an exercise in repetition to get the second, so include a link to the opposite direction of travel on all schedules (e.g.: link to eastbound schedule on westbound page).
    • Consider changing the format of the schedules to something a bit more graphical and easy to follow. Nick Provart suggests a pretty good one (see here), an idea which we quite liked and seemed like an emergent de facto standard, but then again, just say Tufte and we're all ears (see pg. 46-47 of Envisioning Information for more information).
    • Each station in the system should have its own page, which can provide information (e.g.: washrooms, vendors/stores in the station, last/first train, bus connections, etc.) and could even be expanded to act as a hub for the community around the station (e.g.: upcoming neighbourhood events via RSS, etc.).
    • The TTC Timeline system was ahead of its time - a phone number for every stop with recorded schedule information - so far ahead, in fact, that it's one of the only real Y2K bugs that we know about. The system was shut down in late 1999 as it become evident that "...the TimeLine system is not Year 2000 compliant and because of the age of the system hardware and other factors, it cannot be upgraded in a cost-effective and timely fashion to allow for its continued use past December 31, 1999." (see TTC Report F591). We'd like to see a return of the Timeline, but this time as an SMS-based service which works by sending your stop ID to a TTC shortcode and getting a schedule update back. The same stop IDs can be used throughout the Schedules and Route maps to remain consistent across the whole system and to make it easy to get schedule info whenever you see an ID.
    • The City of Chicago is running an experimental, GPS-based bus tracker on their #20 line, which gives a hint of what a system like that could deliver. In addition to providing automated recordings of stop announcements on vehicles, it offers the tantalizing possibility of in-stop signage with updated arrival times (à la York Viva system), accurate web-based schedules and maps, and the promise of not having to stand in freezing rain with no streetcar in sight.
  • Schedule Updates
    • Include a blog (with RSS feed!) of closures, schedule changes, etc. Use categories to indicate which type of service is being disrupted (e.g.: Subway, Bus, Streetcar) and/or areas of the city affected.
    • Although frequent transit users might get a chance to travel the length and breadth of the system, most of us just wear a groove into our favourite routes. General information about changes is important, but also build the system to allow users to register those routes and subscribe to updates and changes by email, SMS, and RSS.
  • Ecommerce
    • It's 2007 and high time that the TTC boarded the eCommerce train! The Metropass Discount Plan is a great idea, but it would be substantially better if we could complete an online form to apply and provide a credit card number to pay for it. Faxing is so 1843 (no, really). There have been rumblings for a while now that the TTC will consolidate with other GTA Transit Authorities on a Smart Card for fares which would negate this, but that might still be a ways off (personally, we're hoping for something like the Octopus Card).
    • Partner with people who produce merchandise that we'll actually buy and build out a great online store to sell it in. We suggest starting with the Spacing station buttons and Torontoist T-shirts, but this city is jam packed with creatives who are just itching to submit their own designs. Take a cue from Threadless and crowdsource the designs to help support our arts scene. And please (please!) spare us the Legacy Sportswear gear which has been passing as Official TTC Merchandise. No offence to them - we're sure they do great work - but stamping the TTC logo onto a catalogue full of generic items isn't what we're looking for.
  • Online trip booking for Wheel-Trans. Danny, in the comments on the Spacing original post, tells a horrible tale of trying to make a booking via the antiquated phone system. Wheel-Trans provides mobility to people who would otherwise not have it, and we'd like to see the service made even easier by a full web-integration.
  • Multi-lingual Content beyond a pre-canned page of info. We live in one of the world's most multi-cultural cities, a fact that we love to trumpet, and the information on the TTC's website should reflect that. Here's another opportunity for crowdsourcing: post the info in English and provide a translation UI so the community can work its magic.
  • TTC API (Application Programming Interface)
    • Open the walled garden and encourage the development of an ecosystem of user-created applications built on the TTC's data (routes, schedules, etc.). Our city is full of tech people who love whipping up new mashups and projects if you just give them the tools, so open the treasure chest and share the wealth. See this great Google Maps/TTC mashup as an example, built by Ian Stevens.
    • Use the Google Transit Feed format, which will likely become a de facto standard for transit data, but make sure its open and available to everyone. Build a system which requires an API key if control over bandwidth costs is a concern (like Google Maps, WordPress, and Flickr to name a few), or use a service like Amazon's S3 to host the feed.
  • Build a Web Standards compliant website with no (or almost no Flash). See our blog post, All Flash = Bad, for an explanation on why building all Flash based websites is just asking for a flashtastrophe.
  • Navigation
    • Navigation needs to move away from <select>s and into a more logical structure with more accessible controls.
    • URLs for pages should be logical in order to increase ease of navigation (e.g.: http://www.ttc.ca/metropass instead of http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/metropass_steps.htm). Human readable URLs are a great boon for people emailing links to each other, or for people looking through web traffic reports ("Great! 1,235 people visited the page showContent.php?id=27! Now which page is that?" vs. "Great! 1,235 people visited the page content/ttcwebsiteredesign!"). It's also a really good idea to hide the implementation of the site because it means you can more easily change your backend technology down the road without orphaning millions of bookmarks (e.g.: don't end your URLs in .html or .php, but use a feature like mod_rewrite to rewrite URLs from human readable to machine format, so http://www.ttc.ca/metropass/signup gets rewritten behind the scenes to http://www.ttc.ca/metropass/signup.jsp).
  • Visual Design and Navigation

Process

  • Despite our knowledge of websites and best practices, we weren't able to answer a central question which needs to be covered: who uses the site and what do they use it for? You can't do a good job of building a huge site which is optimized for everyone, but you can do a fantastic job of building highly optimized micro-sites which share designs and content. The City of Toronto does a pretty good job of splitting their content into four basic groups depending on what you want to do (Living in Toronto, Doing Business, Visiting Toronto, Accessing City Hall), and the colour coding makes it easy to keep track of where you are. Once the TTC has answered the central question, it's easier to break the site down into similar groupings and optimize the Information Architecture around goals (e.g.: Frequent Riders, Visiting Toronto, Selling to the TTC, etc.).
  • We also ran into an obstacle establishing what the central goal for the website was, other than to provide information. Madhava has an excellent knowledge of the politics and history of the Commission and provided great insight into the fine balance between funding and ridership, which led us to discern that increasing ridership on suburban routes might be an important goal that the website could help to serve (particularly through schedule update subscriptions, SMS Stop Service, GPS tracking, etc.). That's a good start, but we would need more information to really finish a goals analysis.
  • Building the site is only part of the battle; maintaining a site of this size and complexity in a healthy manner requires a team of dedicated personnel. The TTC needs to make sure that they build that cost into their budgets, whether the team be internal or outsourced (or some combination). Can we convince the TTC to try a radically different, non-centralized approach to managing the site? Perhaps we can marry the two halves of the brain and have a Community Ombudsperson oversee the marriage between the central authority of the Commission and a community of volunteer web managers and moderators. This doesn't need to go as far as a wiki (although it would be a very good approach!), but there are many happy mediums between a monologue and a full conversation.
  • The Community is here to help! Despite what we perceived as an almost tangible antagonism between the Commission and its dedicated Ridership (see Withdraw anagram map lawsuit threat for an example), we still love the Red Rocket and we want to be part of the solution. Use us for our advice and skills and make sure that the process of building the new site is open and transparent. David likes to say that the "community is the framework", and that applies here just as much as it does there. We're riding a wave of new interest in our city and in the grassroots capabilities celebrated by initiatives like the Centre for Social Innovation, so sow some seeds and (to quote Guy Kawasaki intentionally misquoting Chairman Mao), let a thousand flowers bloom.

What's Next?

If you're still reading, we admire your persistence :) A few final thoughts on where we'd like to see this go from here:

  • The TTC should re-open the RFP for the Website Redesign. The original RFP closed on Thursday, November 23, 2006 and received responses from a number of traditional web shops (you can find the RFP info by browsing the somewhat confusing and highly frame-based TTC Materials & Procurements site, or by going straight to the otherwise-framed P01DR06363). The Planned Award date is February 1st, 2007 (which recently changed from January 29th), but we think a strong case can be made for the requirements having changed substantial as a result of the change in Commission Chair and the process kicked off by Robert's post - strong enough that the original RFP should be replaced.
  • The TTC should completely embrace the community. Soliciting feedback via blogs is a great start, but we'd like to see Adam Giambrone extend that initiative by keeping the rest of this process open and transparent (keep an eye on this space for a forthcoming announcement on this very topic). Collecting feedback in such a public fashion is an amazing step forward and we salute it wholeheartedly! Let's keep moving in the same direction.
  • The TTC should set a goal of building the best Transit Authority website in the world. Our former Mayor, Mel Lastman, was perhaps overly found of calling Toronto a world-class city, but he was often right. Even the best Transit websites out there don't set the bar very high and we feel that this is an opportunity to demonstrate our technology and transit leadership by establishing a new watermark.

As always, we look forward to your comments! Help us help the TTC and everyone wins.

Comments

OK. I'm impressed by your thoroughness and commitment to bettering the "better way." Nice work. 
Posted by Robert Ouellette on Tuesday January 16, 2007 at 7:51 AM
Great summary Jay!  Very thorough.

For TTC Communications/Marketing staff who may be wondering what's all this about and thinking that community=lack of control, I think it would be really helpful to point them in the direction of Don Tapscott's new book, Wikinomics.

Mass collaboration, tapping the energy of the crowd, engaging with passionate communities of interest, provides the TTC with a new way to achieve it's organizational goals and, perhaps, help it overcome the difficult financial bind it perennially finds itself in.

The website is the first step in tapping into this amazing energy.
Posted by Mark Kuznicki on Tuesday January 16, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Ryan Coleman says:
"People like to carry schedules with them, so make handy-sized ones which we can print out and staple together to keep in our pockets."

GO Transit has a good system where they have pre-printed business cards at each station with the Times when trains depart the station towards union and times the trains coming back leave Union.

TTC could do a similar type card with the route on one side (with approximate durations from 0min start to 1hr for ex. at the end of the route.) - on the flip side put the time of the first bus, last bus in each direction plus the set interval times for the various time periods of the day.

You could reference the route map and durations to guage how far down the route you are and then based on the intervals get some idea of the time a bus would be coming.
Posted by Ryan Coleman on Tuesday January 16, 2007 at 10:01 AM

Wow! It's great to see so many like-minded individuals.

After reading Joe Clark's post about the RFP being closed already, I was somewhat spurned to action as well. My immediate thinking was that if the TTC wasn't going to build the site we wanted, the responsibility would fall to us.

On that note, last Friday I registered "openttc.ca" (and friends) and started doing some preliminary work on an alternative site, with "mashability" and group collaboration in mind.

I've already built a script to scrape the existing TTC site for schedules, collected a bunch of locally produced CC images and information on the TTC.  I've also been canvassing some of my graphic desinger friends to see if any of them are interested in helping out, but the response has been tepid thus far.

The typeface has already been re-created, and is available here for a song. The tile patterns have also been faithfully recreated (with a brief history lesson, at that!)

My sincere hope is that the TTC steps up and produces the resource we all want and need. If they don't, I'm ready and willing to spend some time to develop a powered-by-the-masses alternative.

Posted by Kieran Huggins on Tuesday January 16, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Joe Clark says:
Kieran "Not Necesarily Huggy" Huggins, some other developers have recast the TTC bus schedules already. And now of course I can't find the damned things. They already have the data in a machine-readable form. Oh, and you'll all be delighted to read the responses to the questions I posed to the existing tender bidders. You do understand that even a hip Web shop like RÄDIANT CÖRE has no sway in this process, right? Four non-developer blog editors do, and nobody else. This makes as much sense as having them drive a bus, of course.
Posted by Joe Clark on Tuesday January 16, 2007 at 1:29 PM
Bob Brent says:
Hi.. I echo Robert Ouellettte's comment... very well done... where were you 6 years ago when I needed you? :P
Posted by Bob Brent on Tuesday January 16, 2007 at 6:42 PM
Comment by a Radiant Core Team Member Jay Goldman says:
Thanks Bob! We have a lot of respect for what you accomplished back in the wild days of the web and with so little budget (for everyone not familiar with Bob, he's responsible for creating the TTC website in the first place - read the whole story on Reading Toronto).

Keep the feedback coming folks!
Posted by Jay Goldman on Tuesday January 16, 2007 at 9:04 PM
Dave Draper says:
Personally, I only have a few complaints about the TTC website - first, all that java on the main page needs to go, as I know no one's whose computer doesn't have trouble with it. Second, bus route schedules need to be set up in a way so that you can follow the bus/streetcar schedule along the route on one line, rather than have to scroll down to each stop individually...it makes trip planning during off-peak hours a very time consuming experience. Third, some pages, like the Commission reports and planning reports pages are too messy, and make finding information, especially old information on the Commission report page, and new information on the planning page, very difficult. A more user friendly, or even searchable option is necessary.
Posted by Dave Draper on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Paul Dowman says:
Great job guys, excellent ideas! I totally agree that the TTC should re-open the RFP given the new chair and the huge, enthusiastic response to Robert's post.

As a professional software developer who has been developing web-based software for many years I can say that Radiant Core and the authors of this article really know what makes a good web site; these guys are passionate about it and definitely have what it takes to pull it off -- I'd love to see Radiant Core get a shot at re-doing the TTC website.
Posted by Paul Dowman on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 1:28 PM
Gil says:

Re: Nick Provart's idea



The TTC's old individual route schedules used to have red dots along the route map indicating roughly 10-minute intervals.  This allowed you to roughly tell how long it would take to get between two points along the route, plus you could then extrapolate your time from either of the terminal points (cuts down on the amount on information you need to display if space is at a premium as on the GO-style business card schedules).

Posted by Gil on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 1:51 PM
Just a followup to this post. The four Toronto blogs that started all this met last night to discuss next steps. You can read about them on today's RT. Contrary to Joe Clark's perception of our influence with the city, we are taking the comments we got from readers, assembling them in a package, and forwarding them to the Giambrone's office. It will be up to the TTC to act on our readers' ideas or not. We, unfortunately, do not have any mystical influence on what will or will not be done. We can only do what we do best - give people the opportunity to share their ideas in a public forum.

Now, did anyone see the keys to that bus??
Posted by Robert Ouellette on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 2:53 PM
This is a fantastic survey of the possibilities that the TTC has open to it when considering a web redesign project.

Here are some thoughts that occurred to me as I read through the list (sorry I wasn't there to be part of the brainstorm!):
  • the data feed (regardless of transport used, really) of service interruptions and delays seems like one of the most useful features, and could potentially tie in to a SMS notification service (hello, partner project!) as well as those new Fourth Wall Media signs popping up at TTC stations which, for all intents and purposes, are now pretty "dumb" considering the information bandwidth they potentially offer travellers.

  • It should be possible to enter my current location and have the nearest stop(s) (bus, tram, subway) show up. Investigating those stops should reveal the estimated time of arrival of the next 2 TTC vehicles based on the schedule. Even without GPS tracking, this would help people have an idea of how they can best make use of their time.

  • The only thing that I can think of that you didn't mention explicitly is the ability for the website to also operate in a kiosk mode such that low-cost podiums could be installed in TTC stations in order to help people find their way around the city.

  • While I'm a big believer in knowing your audience, I don't think a full survey is required to get rolling on some of the basic aspects and priorities. I think a design maxim should be: "Reduce frustration and return time to our users." Time is valued, and a great frustration and barrier to entry for any form of mass transit is a lack of knowledge: when is the next vehicle going to depart from my stop? why is it late? when will I get to my destination? United took these questions to heart when redesigning its flight gates, and now friendly flat screen monitors tell you exactly when your plane is due to board, why any delay is occuring, who's eligible for upgrades, etc -- the result is that travellers know if they have time to go get a coffee, take a stroll, etc. For the TTC the result would be people being able to spend less time standing in the cold, and more time at their offices or homes, doing what it is they want to do.

  • Partnering with sites like toronto.com or torontolife.com to show "destinations near this stop: shopping, dining, entertaining, playing" will provide potential revenue sources, seed these pages with initial content, and allow those sites to include "Get there by TTC" links (CitySearch does this in New York) which will promote transit use.

  • Obviously there's a lot of ideas here, and prioritization and budget will dictate what can and can't be done. I think pivoting this list so that it's re-ordered in terms of: "The Essential Way", "The Better Way", and "The Future Way" might be a good way to help people realize how little there is to be done to make an effective website, and how little more would be required to make a truly brilliant one that could be an example to other transit systems.
Posted by Mike Beltzner on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Joshua Chow says:
check hong kong's MTR website...China, Korea, & Japan's metro webistes are always the best!
Posted by Joshua Chow on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Carly says:
"Flashtastrophe" is my new favourite word. I want to pull out my hair when I go to a website looking for a bit of info and I have to sit through some crazy Flash business before I can even try and find anything.
Posted by Carly on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 8:21 PM
Jon Lax says:
I hate you all. I wish I had thought of this. Sigh.
Posted by Jon Lax on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 11:11 AM
Great additional comments!  I am convinced that communities build great cities, and the communities of interest that have converged on this design challenge are passionate, creative and enterprising.

Imagine the potential if the TTC (and other institutions) actually figured out a way to tap into and engage with that energy?  You are all a part of that potential.  Thank you.
Posted by Mark Kuznicki on Friday January 19, 2007 at 2:57 AM
John says:
    Perhaps taking a page from those evil big box stores.  Maybe there should be a way, when browsing routes, to enter your postal code (or some other localizing identifiers) and have all local routes to your area pop up with possibly a smaller map view of the system.
As has been said most users us the system heavily in their area rarely venturing out to 'the other side' of the ciy. Having the ability to view the system within your area with the ability to zoom back out to the system wide map would be useful.
Posted by John on Saturday January 20, 2007 at 10:53 AM
Alvin Chin says:

I'm not going to echo the things that people have said here about how to improve the TTC web site, as I think that's already been said already.  What I would recommend is bringing these suggestions at the next public TTC meeting or even e-mailing them to the new TTC chair.  The new TTC chair seems hip, young, and embracing new technologies, let him know your views and have him re-open the RFP for improving the web site.  Perhaps, also you could take all this and work it up as a proposal and e-mail the proposal to him or even better, mail it or deliver to him in person. 

Posted by Alvin Chin on Sunday January 21, 2007 at 11:49 AM
sabrina says:

Hi, I hope this isn't too late to forward on this suggestion. I'm doing my thesis on immigrants and public transit in Toronto, and the site as it stands is especially confusing if you have a poor grasp of English.



Something like MUNI in SF has other languages clearly displayed across the TOP of the screen, and the language line is clearly visible on the first page that a Spanish or Chinese speaker comes to: www.sfmuni.com/cms/mms/home/home50.htm



The site should be designed with inclusivity in mind from the get-go. For instance, giving the language line as 416-393-INFO is not helpful for a new english speaker, but on this page (www.toronto.ca/ttc/phoneinfosystem.htm) the phone number translation of 416-393-4636 is not given like it is on some other pages.

Posted by sabrina on Sunday January 21, 2007 at 1:41 PM
Alvin Chin says:

I agree with Sabrina. In fact, it should be like the VIA train web site where they have multiple languages on their web site.  The TTC touts that they can speak in more than 200 different languages by phone, they need to apply that to the web site as well, since there are many people that get information from the TTC on the web. 

Posted by Alvin Chin on Sunday January 21, 2007 at 2:32 PM
JohnB says:
I may have missed this on the page but http://dartmaps.mackers.com/ shows an excellent (to me) implementation of a dynamic route map. Since the automated voice-announcement on some buses (Flemingdon 100, for example) does this the bus must know where it is. And since the bus is already in constant contact with TTC control there is no reason that the bus position couldn't be displayed on a web browser. (Shameless plug: I use Opera!) And if the bus position can be displayed on a browser, a low cost browser/kiosk (see the $100 laptop project) could be at every (or nearly every!) TTC stop. You'd know WHEN the next bus is and WHERE it is right now. Remember, too, that since the bus stop display is local-to-the-stop, it doesn't have to display the entire route system, just the local area. The best part? It would be a profit centre because the TTC could sell advertising and, if you were a local business, what better way to target people just getting off the bus!
Posted by JohnB on Wednesday February 7, 2007 at 5:18 PM
RichardK says:
One of my biggest complaints is it's next to impossible to figure out how long it will take to get from point A to point B from the TTC schedules on the website.

So, I wrote a simple program to convert them into route tables, showing when each bus reaches the timing points. You can just follow your bus down (or up) the column to see when you'll arrive (or when you need to leave). It's my TTC Route Table generator. It's not a full route planner, but it's better than nothing.
Posted by RichardK on Thursday February 8, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Shubha says:

I'm originally Torontonian but I've been in London (England) the past couple of years.  This morning I've been trying to help my friend figure out if the buses are running...and got NO websites even REMOTELY like what we were looking for...but this did come up in Google :)  So obviously it needs to have realtime updates.  The London site has a ticker tape that runs across the top of the site telling you of any delays or closures.  You can click on it for more information.  Also, when you use the journey planner it will tell you if part of the journey it has found has delays or construction on it.



In terms of the card..London has the Oyster card (pros and cons with this), but not only can you pay online for it by entering the code on the card, you can also do "automatic topups" where as soon as your card is below say 2 pounds, it automatically adds on another 20 (or whatever you want).

Posted by Shubha on Wednesday February 14, 2007 at 6:53 AM

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